New thread system

Andre

The next release has a new thread view which is really cool.

Snit

Excellent. Does it no longer show the already read messages (if set to not show read, of course). That is one of the things that is making it so I do not use it more as I test it. That and search, though I know you have that planned for later. These things take time!

But looking forward to being able to use it as my main Usenet client... and then giving more feedback as I find more.

Andre

Snit Does it no longer show the already read messages (if set to not show read, of course).

I'm working on that part now. Read messages will be optionally hidden.

Alan_B

What affect do user-defined rules have on this display? I recall that MacSOUP indicates if a message is kill filed.

Andre

Alan_B What affect do user-defined rules have on this display? I recall that MacSOUP indicates if a message is kill filed.

Messages deleted manually or by a rule are gone and won't be listed in the thread.
Would you like it differently?

Alan_B

If I’ve deleted a message by a rule than I certainly do not wish to see it again!

Andre

Alan_B If I’ve deleted a message by a rule than I certainly do not wish to see it again!

That's how it is.

Snit

I am now getting more and more excited about your program. Look forward to being able to use it as my main Usenet client. Even if I still have to do searches in a secondary one until you can get to that point I will be VERY happy.

Andre

Hiding read messages has been implemented, but this feature breaks the thread view of course.

Snit

Andre this feature breaks the thread view of course

Thunderbird will show just the unread messages in the thread... though it does not have the little icons showing it, it will show the indentation level. Is it possible to do something like that? Even if not I would still be happy to be able to turn it on and off. And if you had something like what you showed before, where (if I recall correctly) the thread was shown to the right that gives the best of both worlds.

Andre

Maybe I misunderstand you, but you can turn on/off hiding the read messages.
If you turn it on then only the unread messages from the selected thread are shown.

I don't see any benefits to show the messages in a view at the right of the threads instead of showing them in a view at the bottom, next to the messages. A view at the right will take too much space from the thread view on smaller screens.

Expanding/collapsing the threads in the upper view is not longer possible which has its pros and cons, but I am afraid it will stay this way.

Snit

You did not misunderstand... I made a mistake in how I was seeing things. Or it was completely messed up and with no update pixies fixed it (no, really, it was me, but I want to blame the pixies).

The side thread area still can be too thin, allowing for the message, if the thread goes real deep. And I do not see which message I am on in the threaded view.

Andre

There is a horizontal scrollbar at the bottom of the thread view that allows you scroll to the right.
But this is no different than in any other format. If the thread is really deep then you always need to scroll.

Maybe auto scrolling to the name of the poster is an option, but I am not sure if that is always desirable.

Snit

I do not have it fully visualized what I would even want -- but if it was above it would be wider in the window. I guess if I have no good solution I cannot really complain. 🙂

Jaimie

I like it okay, but I liked the old view more to be honest (it's what I'm used to!). Would you consider an option for the Subject pane to go back to the old style with the indented reply list embedded in it, with auto-unfold etc? I understand if not, it's a drag maintaining two similarish views.

Andre

Jaimie I like it okay, but I liked the old view more to be honest (it's what I'm used to!).

Give it some time and you will hopefully get used to the new setup.

Jaimie Would you consider an option for the Subject pane to go back to the old style with the indented reply list embedded in it, with auto-unfold etc? I understand if not, it's a drag maintaining two similarish views.

I am afraid not. Like you said, maintaining both is asking for trouble.

Andre

... but I am not sure yet. Maybe the whole setup will be changed, once more 🙂

Jaimie

Thumbs up for that. It's a work in progress! So many fiddly bits and edge cases, hopefully it'll keep you entertained for ages yet.
(If it's possible to write the function that creates the nice indented list so that the same function could draw in the bottomleft sidebar or the top subject panel, though...)

Andre

Jaimie (If it's possible to write the function that creates the nice indented list so that the same function could draw in the bottomleft sidebar or the top subject panel, though...)

That's the idea, but I have to figure out how to handle very deep threads in the upper view.

Snit

I have seen other clients just stop indenting more. In some ways less clear, but you can see info that is hidden with yours. Maybe set to width of that side panel?